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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explore the unexplained here on

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the paranormal king

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radio network i'm your host lon

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strickler

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coming to you within a cannon shot of

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historic gettysburg

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in the cryptid mecca of pennsylvania i

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thank you for joining me

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now we're going to kind of get right

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into this tonight

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uh so let me uh read the bio

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on my guest tonight's guest on arcane

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radio is alien abductee and experiencer

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david eckhart

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now over a decade david and his family

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began to

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endure numerous abductions and close

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encounters

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in their home near pensacola florida the

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encounters have continued

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though the activity has recently picked

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up in intensity

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david's ordeal has been thoroughly

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documented because of his determination

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to discover why he was chosen i have

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assisted david

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in this journey since 2010 his story was

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presented on

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fact or fake the paranormal files which

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resulted in one of the highest

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rated series episodes namely because the

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team couldn't debunk

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debunk david's claims and by the way

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this is the first time that i have

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publicly interviewed david

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so david thanks for joining me hey

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lauren how are you doing

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well this is the first time we've been

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on together and uh you know we've known

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each other for a long time now

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it's uh it's been a lot going on from

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the very beginning

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now in the in the beginning i know you

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moved to pensacola

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from uh you're originally from toledo

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and of course you were much younger back

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then can you describe

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your initial encounter with an alien

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yeah we uh i mean a couple of friends

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we uh learned to run out in some

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woods out here in gulf breeze

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uh one guy that was with us he was the

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native he knew around

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the area really well and uh

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yeah say hey let's let's go out here

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we'll build a fire around this pond and

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stuff there's some trails

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and uh so and my budget yeah let's do it

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we went out there and sitting in the

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backseat of his car

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and was uh you know toyota corolla

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and uh and we just going through the

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trails and everything and

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we parked over to the side and and i

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seen this uh

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light it was going across the top of the

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trees pine trees

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and uh i was just kidding i said hey

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guys the ufo

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i mean we started laughing and

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everything i see it but it did look

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strange but

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i was just kidding i didn't know what

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the heck it was

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he said well the pond's over here and

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we'll cut through this trail here we'll

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build a fire

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and kick back i said okay so we followed

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a pond real pretty had an island in the

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middle of it and everything else

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and uh so we started gathering fire wood

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and then uh uh i was noticing it was

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white out in the woods you know and i

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kept mentioning

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that to uh the friend we was with and he

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said well dude

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people come out here all the time don't

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don't worry about it you know i just

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thought it was kind of strange the way

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firewood

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uh this orb or our light

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which we think was a flashlight ended up

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to be something totally different

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than what it was uh

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it uh i was getting real close after a

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while and then uh

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yeah it was picking up the wood and then

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i've seen that spotted out and i was

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like man that is not

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somebody and uh this thing was uh

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right over our heads and it flashed and

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came down and went really close to be

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uh to me and my buddy and i about

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fell back and he fell back and it went

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right back into the trees and flashed

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and took off again

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he said what was that i said i don't

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know but it came so close to my head i

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hear the worst of it

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and uh oh yeah then uh

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i said we was discussing back and forth

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with the heck that wasn't

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our other buddy he was still getting

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wood so we went back so i get more wood

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than i seen it again so that's when i

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decided i was gonna figure out what it

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so i took off running after this thing

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it was all i had on with a pair of blue

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jeans and uh

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tennis shoes no shirt you know i was

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going through briars and everything else

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trying to catch up to this thing and

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then i lost it

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i looked around and then uh i happened

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just to look up cause i don't call him i

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look up and i've seen his flash

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and uh you know when it's it's dark

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outside it's like somebody takes a

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picture of you

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you lose your bearings you know you

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can't see nothing for a second

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and then you get your vision back well

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this thing was squeezed into the woods

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it was

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yeah so i took off after it again and uh

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like a long story short uh i must have

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cased it

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five up maybe 15 20 minutes

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could have been up to 30. uh things were

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happening pretty fast at that time

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so uh i called to a couple of other

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times and i went to go jump down on it

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and couldn't jump right on it because i

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just couldn't bring myself to do it you

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know just shoot back

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up and flashing the eyes and take off

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again well they ended up going into the

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and uh and it was pretty cool the way it

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my buddies caught up to me and said

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what's going on said it's down there so

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i'd grab a big stick and poke it in the

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and uh next you know it uh uh

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my buddy that was with the native guy

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he said let's let's go let's go okay

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let's

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find a way out heck i don't even know

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where i was at so

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i was chased for a while but we're

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trying to find the way back to the car

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and uh i got the closest look of this

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thing so i was trying to describe what

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this thing looked like to these guys and

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it must have been about maybe 25 30 feet

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behind me

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and then uh and also i just kind of

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looked up as i was

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because i was looking at my hands while

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i was just trying to shape it out and

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i've seen this

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man or guy or whatever it was

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as soon as he saw me and i saw him and

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made eye contact it just stopped

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and then you get all these things going

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through your head because you're just

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seeing something that

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this a

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deer an owl or a

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or a somebody with a mask on

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and uh and i barked out and yelled

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and it took off you uh run and so uh

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i took off running after it and i

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clearly could outrun it i caught up to

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him really quick

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real quick and i could i could smell him

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with the wing just kind of breaking off

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of them and i'm looking at the back of

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its head as i was

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running behind him it reminded me of one

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of those little kids with the old man

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accelerated disease then uh

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i just i was thinking man i'm just

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scaring this thing you know

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so i started backing off a little bit i

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couldn't i couldn't tackle it but i just

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couldn't bring myself to do it because i

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didn't know what the heck it was

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and uh and so and so i started backing

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off and it just kept on going and then

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one up around this bush and he was

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leaning into it as he was running

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and then i really slowed down and then

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he said and says where's that and he

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come up to the house i said go around

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the bush on the other side

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and uh so we went around his bush or was

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like a

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little woody areas not one single bush

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but he was gone but

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everything i know now it was probably

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still there

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they got a cloaking ability they can

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become invisible

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so it's sort of like a uh we would

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think of like a uh the predator if you

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ever seen that movie

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the glass scene like uh outlined of it

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right and it's pixelated um yeah but uh

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anyways well we took back off we finally

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found our way back to the car

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and everything and we took off and i had

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dreams about that whole situation i mean

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for about two weeks solid i mean it was

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like every scenario i

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even had dreams that i caught it you

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know so but uh it's uh

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it really affected me pretty good but we

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told everybody

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you know that you know we think we saw

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aliens and they're not

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green so yeah but i never gave it a

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second thought back then you know

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so but they're definitely not green some

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well now this uh now that encounter

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that was your very first encounter with

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alien type being yeah that's uh

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that's actually almost the only uh

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document i was a little kid and strange

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things happen when i was a little kid

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i mean and it seemed like there was

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muppets

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uh back then you know i was thinking

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about i was sleeping on top of my bumper

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that he was a little kid and it was a

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thunderstorm

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and uh i kept hearing this knocking at

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the window and it's going dave

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dave let me in and every time the

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lightning flash i could see this guy it

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looked like

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ernie or something like that uh not a

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good sight for a little kid

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especially he liked watching sesame

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street back then

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but i was thinking something like that

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because

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that was real that that was real when i

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was a little kid

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i know you know something that's

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affected me

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when i was a little kid but i was scared

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well i was at the time i was like go

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away you know i put my head underneath

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the covers go away go away

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but uh that's the only thing i could

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remember something

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really strange that that could fit in

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when i was a little kid and i almost

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forgot about maybe

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four and a half yeah years old

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maybe yeah you know i hear a lot of that

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from people

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um that say like when they were younger

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that they kind of described them as

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muppet characters or something like that

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i do get that a lot um

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you know that now this is something i've

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never asked you before

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have any of your uh parents or siblings

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have

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ever had any type of strange experiences

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like this

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well you know up in ohio uh where i come

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from

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there's a lot of uh what you would call

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like

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witchcraft or uh what would you call it

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a paranormal stuff that

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people do you know like and uh

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and that's kind of yeah and

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and that's the kind of stuff that was

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going on of

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not directly that i was new about but i

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knew about

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you know some side stuff that people

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would do but uh and

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not directly that i i could see you know

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i was involved with or anything like

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that but we had like uh

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my mother had this woman that she talked

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to all the time her name was thelma she

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like she claimed to die eight times on

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the

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operating table during heart surgery and

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as you could see spirits

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and uh stuff like that and uh we go over

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a house and

349
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it was a strange house you know but the

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woman was

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really nice but uh

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i think we brought something home one

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night with us and uh

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i think it was like an older man or

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something like that spirit or entity

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like that and he hung out

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the house for a while but my mom's

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worried

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she brought him back so but i mean

360
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you know strange things would always

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happen like spiritual stuff my brother

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went out to the shed one time

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and uh my mom was on to about cleaning

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it up or something like that and uh he

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was going out there and he was upset and

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crying and uh he threw something in the

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shed

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and all of a sudden everything started

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coming down on top or living like that

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and uh

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and he ran back in the house and he was

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stirred the heck you know he was

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not going back out there to the shed

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again you know so

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but uh you you said one of these things

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that you throw a baseball into and it

377
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bounces back to you you know you play

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catch with yourself but uh

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and that thing uh flew in front of the

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door and blocked him and so he was

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really

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quite shifting up about that but that's

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uh i don't think i can remember

384
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what was going on back then it could

385
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have been you know just a coincidence or

386
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just getting scared or whatever i don't

387
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know i was uh i know i was in the house

388
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when it happened

389
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but that's the one thing i could

390
00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:08,480
remember

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well let's go forward now to uh you're

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in pensacola you've got a family

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you've got this house uh

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and uh these encounters start to begin

395
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can you kind of give us an idea how this

396
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okay yeah so you know you

397
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you grow up and you know you you know

398
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part of your life and you think you got

399
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everything worked out you know it's like

400
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everything's running smooth and i got

401
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his family going and everything

402
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and uh he ended up i started a business

403
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and uh he's doing really well really

404
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good

405
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lots of work but uh and uh

406
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it was out i don't know just acreage of

407
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woods

408
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it was like this house was out in the

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middle of 17 acres and i had a pond to

410
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it and everything

411
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just beautiful house and uh we was gonna

412
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uh

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we had to sign on for because it was

414
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gonna develop all around it and

415
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everything so

416
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we did that and then uh and then you

417
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:09,360
know

418
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you hear things going on in the house

419
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you know it's like

420
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you know any house you know you hear

421
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like pipes creaking

422
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and popping and stuff like that and and

423
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uh

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at first i wasn't around too much when

425
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um we first moved in because i was

426
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i was running back and forth to ohio and

427
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for weddings and

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running the business and everything else

429
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my wife did all the moving and

430
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everything so

431
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well that was a blessing but uh she

432
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kept telling me you know i'm here on

433
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these noises in the house and

434
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everything's

435
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okay no problem so and uh just

436
00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:43,120
water pipes or something you know it's

437
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like so i didn't really investigate it i

438
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didn't have time i was

439
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running the business and uh it just kept

440
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uh

441
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and it kept bothering her and it started

442
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bothering the kids and

443
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and then you know i just kept going to

444
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ignore it you know it's no big deal

445
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:01,920
and then uh i come home one evening from

446
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:02,880
work

447
00:16:08,069 --> 00:16:05,920
and uh i came into the back door my wife

448
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:08,079
she was white as a ghost and i'm like

449
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:11,199
what's wrong she says david seeing

450
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:13,040
people walking through the house

451
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,320
like oh god so it's uh i said

452
00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:17,920
just ignore it i don't know what to tell

453
00:16:21,749 --> 00:16:19,360
her you know it's like man

454
00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:21,759
i'm working all day come home and i

455
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:24,240
gotta deal with this now you know so

456
00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:26,560
but uh she almost started crying and i

457
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,920
said okay i'm gonna have to figure out

458
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:29,199
what's going on and see if we're in

459
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:31,279
danger or anything because

460
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and then uh so i started uh doing

461
00:16:36,870 --> 00:16:34,320
research on

462
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:36,880
maybe poltergeist and which i did not

463
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,560
believe in the ghosts and stuff like

464
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:40,399
that but i believe in stuff like that

465
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now

466
00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:46,079
yeah but uh yeah definitely and then uh

467
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,920
and then uh yeah so i was really

468
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:51,440
starting to sound like poultry guys you

469
00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:52,000
know

470
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:53,839
everything i was reading and stuff and

471
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:55,040
uh

472
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,759
camera and she would walk to the house

473
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:01,920
taking pictures because the cats was

474
00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:02,639
reacting

475
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:04,480
as well so she took pictures around the

476
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,760
cats and stuff and

477
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:07,760
she's getting pictures and these orbs

478
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:09,439
and stuff in the house you know

479
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:12,880
uh you there yeah okay

480
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:16,160
and uh and then uh uh

481
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,679
he didn't know to get this one picture

482
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,079
of these uh overlooking people looking

483
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:23,919
into the window it looked like you know

484
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:26,720
flying boy in 30s or something like that

485
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:28,240
and uh

486
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,880
and that that caught my attention they

487
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,000
look kind of messed up

488
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:34,400
in it too but i still got that picture

489
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today

490
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um and uh the thing was they was looking

491
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into a window that was two stories up in

492
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the air

493
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and so i thought okay so let's

494
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,200
see if we can do better so uh my son

495
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,520
ended up getting a vhs camera you know

496
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:51,360
back then you know that was stopping

497
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:54,640
stuff and uh and we started playing

498
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:56,000
around with that trying to catch stuff

499
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:57,919
and he was catching stuff on there

500
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:01,360
and uh and but it always looked you know

501
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:03,919
really grainy you know that's when our

502
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,720
uh

503
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,720
video was being caught by a magnetic

504
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:08,559
tape so it was

505
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,919
not very good and uh but you know that

506
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,280
got my attention because we

507
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:15,360
got a couple of good things on there and

508
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:17,600
uh it's okay i want to give me a better

509
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,400
camera so i

510
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,960
forked out the money for this uh uh

511
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:22,080
digital camera

512
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,160
the dvd put you know miniature dvds in

513
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and then uh that's when we started

514
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,760
catching stuff and that i just tried to

515
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,919
improve from there and i started running

516
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,360
experiments and

517
00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,840
and then uh uh we started catching some

518
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:37,919
pretty good stuff on video

519
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,960
matter of fact uh uh one night a day i

520
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:42,000
was working about 9

521
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,000
30 in the morning i was working out my

522
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,160
pole barn working on my truck

523
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,320
and i come in to go use the restroom i

524
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:50,080
thank you and then uh

525
00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:52,799
right where my tv was sitting it didn't

526
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:54,400
even dawn on me but

527
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,679
it was like a hole and uh i looked down

528
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:59,280
inside this hole and they had these

529
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:00,559
people

530
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:03,120
down there getting ready for maybe a

531
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:03,840
shot too

532
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:06,559
or whatever but the people that my wife

533
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:06,960
got

534
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,600
pictures of that was in the window was

535
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,440
down there dressed up from

536
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,200
flame boy and 30s and they had like

537
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:15,200
cameras rolling around and a concrete

538
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,000
floor with

539
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:19,120
uh painted lines in the floor people

540
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:19,919
running around

541
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:22,480
being entities let's just say entities

542
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:23,200
uh

543
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,919
and they had set ups of my rooms at my

544
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:27,200
house down there

545
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,720
you know with furniture and everything

546
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,640
so

547
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,799
i'm like they're not ghosts that was the

548
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,080
first thing that ran in my head and they

549
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,080
had me convinced that it was ghosts

550
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,480
i was so upset i just started yelling it

551
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,320
did not goes to everybody everybody say

552
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:42,960
calm down dude i said do not go strong

553
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,240
but uh i didn't know what the hell it

554
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,559
was from there but uh my wife is like oh

555
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:48,240
that's dimensional it's gotta be

556
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:49,760
dimensional i said i don't

557
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:52,320
i don't know but the weird thing was it

558
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,280
didn't

559
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,360
i was so upset by it because i thought

560
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:57,200
it was ghosts i didn't even dominate i

561
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:58,160
was looking through a

562
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:02,000
a portal or a stargate and uh

563
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,679
that that was the kicker right the way i

564
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,760
said wait a minute that how did i see

565
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,000
that

566
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:08,159
you know it's like it was a portable

567
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:09,360
stargate so

568
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,840
that that's when you know two and two

569
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:13,039
started coming together

570
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,799
about what was going on uh

571
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:18,799
so was this around the time was this

572
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,360
around the time that you had um

573
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:23,600
put the uh video camera in the bedroom

574
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:26,559
and caught that entity at the bathroom

575
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:29,679
yeah i had probably over 2 000 hours

576
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:30,640
worth of uh

577
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,320
videotapes and uh i i decided to walk

578
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:35,840
away from this several times

579
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,240
and uh i burned everything it's like

580
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,679
it's just because it was eating all my

581
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,520
time and everything else and

582
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,679
and uh yeah one morning i was getting up

583
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:44,559
for work and i

584
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:47,280
run that video camera all night and uh

585
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:48,559
and

586
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:52,080
it was the uh the footage was corrupt on

587
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:52,960
it

588
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,559
lost data

589
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,640
so i just pushed the button and finished

590
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,720
getting ready for work and still

591
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,960
and functioning you know working on it

592
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:04,559
so that's why i got to go to work so i

593
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,200
went to work

594
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,280
come back home from work that evening

595
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:09,600
and it was just finishing up

596
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:11,200
i said okay so we got it so i grabbed

597
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,640
the camera took it into my office

598
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,799
plugged it into the computer and uh

599
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,200
it was still blank all the way through i

600
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,039
mean i i went through

601
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,799
the whole thing i had this uh program

602
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,799
called win dvd

603
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,480
number eight or something like that and

604
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,080
then uh it gave me

605
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,000
an option where i could go frame by

606
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:30,000
frame a camera takes 30 frames

607
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,120
a second which is uh kind of slow but

608
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,440
if you don't know how to a camera works

609
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,200
which i didn't at the time

610
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,039
uh i learned but that that is really

611
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,120
slow 30 frames a second

612
00:21:45,669 --> 00:21:43,760
well all the way to the end i i've seen

613
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,679
this flash

614
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,919
and so so i back it up and and go back

615
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,360
and forth and i thought i lost it but

616
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,880
then i caught it again

617
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,799
and then uh so i narrowed it down and

618
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:54,960
then it came up with uh

619
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,400
about 15 frames and a half a second so

620
00:22:01,430 --> 00:22:00,240
a half a second i got this thing that

621
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,440
came out of the bedroom

622
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,440
uh came out of the bathroom with the

623
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:05,039
light on i always left the light onto

624
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:06,640
the shine light in the bedroom so i

625
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,960
could

626
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:09,200
you know see what's going on in there

627
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:10,080
and uh

628
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,760
and then this thing come out around the

629
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,600
door and looks in the bedroom and turns

630
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:14,880
off the bathroom light

631
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,360
the end and uh i said i've got my son i

632
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:20,720
said hey come here look at this

633
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:23,600
and he was looking he's going no way you

634
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,080
know

635
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,880
tears are coming to his eyes he's about

636
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:28,159
he's about 14

637
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:31,600
uh years old then for 15.

638
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:35,039
yeah and uh this is it so

639
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,799
uh i sent it to uh one guy mr burkhart

640
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,400
and that's about that time when that

641
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,440
um was that the uh

642
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:46,400
bigfoot was uh out and being hoaxed and

643
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,039
everything and

644
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,480
yeah we'll we'll put it out there and

645
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:52,080
we'll see what uh happens you know

646
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,440
because that's something frame by frame

647
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,480
and he put it in a

648
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,600
little short video but yeah

649
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,360
yeah and that's the video that that's

650
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:00,640
the video you've been showing in the

651
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,600
video that

652
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,440
i've been putting i've been showing for

653
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,039
several years now

654
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:08,480
which is basically a couple frames put

655
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:09,360
together

656
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,640
that you were able to get off the

657
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,720
videotape right

658
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,320
and yeah and the rest of it was

659
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:17,039
corrupted and still and so but i was uh

660
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,640
i was lucky to get that

661
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,120
and yeah that's what that's what started

662
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,400
the whole thing because that was like

663
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,679
the clearest that i could

664
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,000
i ever got and then it just started from

665
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:27,679
there and uh

666
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:31,919
yeah i do know when you got the video

667
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,960
and you saw it and then you've been

668
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,360
we're encountering other things you did

669
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:38,799
contact mufon

670
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:42,159
in florida and they kind of rejected you

671
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,279
didn't they

672
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,880
yeah yeah they're like what do you want

673
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,720
us to do about it i'm like absolutely

674
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,480
don't you have somebody come out and

675
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,240
investigate this stuff i said don't

676
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,080
get any equipment or something like that

677
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,760
he said let me show you something

678
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,159
this is new fun the guy pulls out some

679
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,840
paperwork and throws it down in front of

680
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,640
me he said

681
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,440
all we do is take reports that's are you

682
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,720
kidding

683
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,960
i said that's all we do we take reports

684
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,559
it's all wasted my time with you guys

685
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,679
then i talked to uh

686
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,520
people that you know psychics and stuff

687
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,799
like that and people that

688
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,240
were supposed to investigate the stuff

689
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,159
we couldn't get nobody come out

690
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,559
and investigate it you know i was i was

691
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:18,400
going to entertain them you know like

692
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,919
like and uh you know shoot they would

693
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:24,159
nobody would show up it was like a waste

694
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:24,960
of the time i mean

695
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,760
the story sounds fantastic i'm i'm i

696
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,559
agree but

697
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,559
maybe i was too honest to be out you

698
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,120
know i should get some things to myself

699
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:36,400
but uh i i know if somebody was telling

700
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,200
me

701
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,360
i was like i'll be like this guy's out

702
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:41,600
there man i'm done yeah so

703
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,000
but i know you know after a while

704
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,840
you i had noticed that you had put the

705
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,200
video up

706
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:52,400
online and i noticed it

707
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,000
and what happened was i contacted you

708
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:58,559
i guess i called you i forget how we

709
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,120
first

710
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,840
yeah yeah you called me yeah and you

711
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,080
told me what was going on

712
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,840
and i'll be honest with you i didn't

713
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:07,120
know what the hell the thing

714
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,559
because uh you know we you and i i told

715
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,080
you look day i want you to keep in

716
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,080
contact with me

717
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,400
keep updated what's going on so what we

718
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,120
did we almost were talking every day

719
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,159
and i mean hours at a time sometimes and

720
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,840
um

721
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,919
you know i wasn't really convinced of

722
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:27,760
what was going on

723
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,799
and in fact for about six months i

724
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:32,480
thought maybe you had

725
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,840
some type of uh spirits or entities

726
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,400
because you had mentioned to me that you

727
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,679
had found some

728
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,559
traps or something up in the attic

729
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,080
you're right

730
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,159
just didn't look right you know so i

731
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:47,919
thought maybe that's what's going

732
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,120
but you convinced me eventually that

733
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,440
yeah this wasn't these just weren't

734
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:54,880
spirits

735
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,080
and uh that's where we went and then you

736
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:00,320
started finding

737
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,159
uh getting more evidence

738
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,960
let me answer me this this is one thing

739
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,799
that i get question about more than

740
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,760
anything

741
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,640
and people kind of question me about it

742
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,480
the way you take your video off a

743
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:15,520
reflective

744
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,400
surface explain to people why you do

745
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:19,679
that

746
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,480
i did i couldn't figure out why it was

747
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,760
working in the beginning

748
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,400
but uh you know yeah you have a little

749
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:30,080
bit of science behind it which uh

750
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:31,520
everything's scientific to me

751
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,960
uh electrons they reflect uh

752
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,440
like you the only reason why you we can

753
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,799
see each other

754
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,320
because there's electrons that's

755
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:41,919
bouncing off of us

756
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,960
and reproducing an image you know of us

757
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:47,760
so we can you know see each other that's

758
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,039
the only reason

759
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:52,240
but uh and uh these guys know our blind

760
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,279
spots

761
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,520
and uh for victory review if you take

762
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,120
your thumb

763
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,840
and put it out at arm's length out and

764
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:01,360
you look at your thumbnail

765
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:04,960
that is about all you see your brain has

766
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,760
to fill in

767
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:08,000
all the rest of the blanking right there

768
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,200
so that that goes with

769
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:11,200
everybody i don't care what you think or

770
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,640
whatever but that's your view

771
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,640
that's your vision it's about the size

772
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:16,240
of your thumbnail with your arm all the

773
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,880
way out

774
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,240
and your brain is putting everything

775
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,480
together even if it's gotta lie to you

776
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,960
it's gonna put a picture up for you so

777
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,600
but uh

778
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,679
that's our blind spot and these guys can

779
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:27,440
do anything they want in our particular

780
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:28,000
view

781
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,919
and uh so so by using

782
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,919
you know armed that knowledge there and

783
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:35,919
uh you see i have a reflection and you

784
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:36,399
can

785
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,799
see because it's slowing down the speed

786
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,480
of that electron that's producing an

787
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:41,760
image of you

788
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:44,880
uh looking at it it uh produces a

789
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:48,399
a picture so a concaved or or curved

790
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:51,760
uh reflective surface it uh

791
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,200
it it captures it and puts it uh uh

792
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:57,039
an image out so but it looks like

793
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,320
cartoonish

794
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:00,399
a little bit aluminum aluminum works

795
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,360
pretty good too

796
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:03,520
of why i don't know why aluminum works

797
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,559
really good but

798
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:06,640
it's standing as reflective as uh

799
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,159
stainless steel

800
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,039
but but that's nasty's using it to look

801
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,360
at distant stars so if you accept that

802
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,960
the pictures that you look at from the

803
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,440
planets or other stars through nasa

804
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:20,399
you can accept my pictures because uh

805
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:20,960
they know

806
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,240
more about our psychology and everything

807
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:28,640
else on top of that

808
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,919
you know uh you got a paradonia

809
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,000
which uh your brain produces a picture

810
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:36,240
of of faces and hands and everything

811
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,120
like that they see

812
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:39,679
faces that's what it's good to do it's

813
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,240
uh

814
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:43,039
it's designed to pick out people's faces

815
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,360
but

816
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:45,600
now they're using uh squares and

817
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,480
everything else what

818
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:49,120
because they wear masks and uh you'll

819
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,080
overlook them

820
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,840
as well if you see squares you know

821
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:53,360
instead of where the eyes are you look

822
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,080
you'll go off

823
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,600
right over it and you won't even know

824
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:57,440
that it's there because your brain's

825
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,240
looking for

826
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,640
round figures for your face and they'll

827
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,559
put a mask up that it'll be

828
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,320
blocks or squares and everything else

829
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,640
like that so you'll gloss right over you

830
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,600
want to see them

831
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,200
you could have one standing right next

832
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,120
to it you won't even see the guy

833
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,279
but uh so if they know that information

834
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:15,120
they've been around for a long time i

835
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,159
mean

836
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,000
this is uh what they've been dig enough

837
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,760
to find out where our blind spots are

838
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:21,360
where our weaknesses are and everything

839
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,640
so they've been

840
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,799
they've been here messing with humankind

841
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,679
for a while

842
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,200
because they know a bunch of uh

843
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:28,880
psychology information

844
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,080
how the brain works the human brain

845
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,200
so uh well

846
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,279
i'm gonna say right off the bat this

847
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:39,120
this one hour interview we're gonna

848
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,000
definitely be doing

849
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:42,080
some a series on this because there's

850
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:43,520
just so much

851
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,760
to talk oh yeah uh get down

852
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:50,399
go ahead if you get down to the nuts and

853
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,520
bolts of everything

854
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,080
it's going yeah it's going to a series

855
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,760
it would have to be a series because he

856
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:57,520
will never be able to talk about it in

857
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,159
one hour

858
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,799
or even in a week if you really want to

859
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,240
get down to the nuts and bolts of

860
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,240
everything else we can't cover a decade

861
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,159
in one hour

862
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:09,520
that's that's right jump to the

863
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,200
um let's jump to the the first abduction

864
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:16,320
uh what happened and what these

865
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,320
entities looked like and what they did

866
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:23,440
okay yeah and that's how we resolve

867
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,799
don't be afraid to to if it gets graphic

868
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,640
don't be afraid to tell us because i've

869
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:29,840
already told people

870
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,440
this could get somewhat graphic right

871
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,640
well i remember um matter of fact that i

872
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,880
sent you an audio what we was hearing

873
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,159
that you hear the growling

874
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,360
and everything else like that and uh

875
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,520
it was right around the same time that

876
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,960
this happened and uh

877
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,000
that's like it was probably around the

878
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,480
same time as the entity that was

879
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,159
floating up in the air that was on facts

880
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,320
of faith as well but i couldn't find out

881
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,000
i dissected that video

882
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,679
it's not floating in the air it's

883
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,120
standing there uh

884
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,919
it really is and it's a female entity on

885
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,360
top of that

886
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,480
but uh anyways me and my wife laying in

887
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,080
bed and we we gotta go through this

888
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,120
stuff every night

889
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,880
all the noises and everything else and

890
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,240
the growling and

891
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,519
and uh and i i kind of uh asked these

892
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,880
guys that there was

893
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,200
good or bad you know some of the first

894
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:20,960
questions you asked you know

895
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,960
to give us some kind of sign well from

896
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,720
from about three seconds right after i

897
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:28,159
asked that

898
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,080
uh we got this humming numbing

899
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:34,799
uh vibration feeling and started at her

900
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,279
toes

901
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,360
and and uh it's like i i didn't know

902
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,640
what's happening to her i knew it was

903
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,600
happening to me at that

904
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,519
time like and it started moving up

905
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,799
through our legs and

906
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,960
and torsos down like oh my god i'm

907
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,480
feeling something that's yeah me too

908
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,399
he's like what is that and uh

909
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,600
you know outside and started moving up

910
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:51,200
through our arms and head all the way to

911
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,159
the head

912
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:55,120
and uh and but it felt good at the same

913
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:55,679
time

914
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,039
and i think i think that they were using

915
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,000
the uh

916
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:02,960
the neo gland for like near-death

917
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,760
experience so

918
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,080
you just kind of let go you know they're

919
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,600
using your own body

920
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,399
to drug you out so they can come in and

921
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,080
do whatever they're gonna do

922
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,919
and uh and so and then as soon as that

923
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,880
happened but now

924
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,519
they come on in and big numbers and they

925
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,840
they brought some pretty big guys in

926
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,519
and they picked me up out of the bed up

927
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,440
underneath the armpits can you describe

928
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,240
what they look like

929
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:30,480
at that time there was still uh uh

930
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,600
invisible

931
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,640
uh you could see the like the predator

932
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:37,200
uh type uh yeah the glass scene like

933
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:37,679
yeah

934
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:42,480
in that position but you could see them

935
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:42,799
in

936
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:46,399
you know and you can still see the the

937
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,039
shapes of

938
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,000
what was going on but these guys were

939
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,399
pretty awesome size of reptilian uh

940
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,399
they ended up being reptilian and uh

941
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,159
they picked me up out of the bed

942
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,240
up underneath the armpits and i'm like

943
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,240
me my wife is still talking back and

944
00:33:01,909 --> 00:33:01,679
forth to each other while this is going

945
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:01,919
on

946
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,799
and i'm trying to stay awake i feel like

947
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,720
i'm gonna fall asleep at any exactly you

948
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,600
know like

949
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,120
i could talk to my teeth you know i was

950
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,200
like oh my god you didn't feel that you

951
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,640
know i was like yeah that's for that and

952
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,240
then uh

953
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:17,279
carrying us towards the tv set and

954
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,559
we walked right through a portal and uh

955
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,440
and it was like pitch black when one

956
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,279
inside you couldn't tell what was up

957
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:27,919
or down i mean it was like this fish

958
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,640
black and

959
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,320
we was going through there with armed

960
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,159
guards as well there was three of them

961
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,600
on each side of us

962
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,120
and it was like a whole bunch of them

963
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,440
and they were surrounded everybody

964
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,120
the armed guards as we was moving

965
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,880
through this uh portal

966
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:42,799
and then uh up ahead in the distance i'm

967
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,000
looking up

968
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,640
and i see like a doorway it looked like

969
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,240
a door with light coming through it

970
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,320
and uh these guys seem to be pretty

971
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:52,240
paranoid going through this place as

972
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:52,880
well

973
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:56,320
so there's a realm between uh each realm

974
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,799
i guess

975
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,519
i don't know buffer zone or whatever and

976
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,200
there's something going on in there that

977
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:02,960
these guys are even scared of

978
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,039
uh so every screw travel through there

979
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:09,119
we uh came out into this opening it was

980
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:10,079
like daylight

981
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,760
and it was like a airplane hangar field

982
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,839
i could see like like a half moon

983
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,599
building you know like we would have for

984
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,720
an airplane

985
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,359
and then uh you see all the concrete and

986
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,639
everything there was some cubicles

987
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,480
sitting off to the side

988
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,720
and uh they walked us all the way up to

989
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,800
that i remembered it was bright too man

990
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,839
it was bright

991
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,320
we walked inside this cubicle look up

992
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,440
underneath my armpits

993
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,679
out in front of this guy and uh we

994
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:38,000
walked by this uh reptilian doctor i

995
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,480
could see

996
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,800
him now he was wearing blue scrubs you

997
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,560
can see his eyes you know i knew he was

998
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:44,879
reptilian because you can see the

999
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,839
the bumpity part or scaly part of his

1000
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,440
skin where his eyes wasn't covered up

1001
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,480
but he had

1002
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:53,760
like a cover over his mouth like so

1003
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:56,480
sanitary reasons and this battery that

1004
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,599
folded out of the wall

1005
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,320
the walls were like padded and there was

1006
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,680
a oval window

1007
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,680
i could see light coming in and they

1008
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:05,359
walked me right i'm passed to the first

1009
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:05,920
doctor

1010
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,599
and went into uh another room and uh

1011
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,240
there was like a another bed that folded

1012
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,599
out of the ball this opposite of the

1013
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,720
other one that

1014
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,040
i came out of the room and it was doctor

1015
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,040
they laid me down on the table

1016
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:22,079
it was stainless steel they swung over

1017
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,440
the light over my eyes

1018
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,760
and uh i could hear them talking and

1019
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,599
doing things and then i was

1020
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,320
gone and out and then the funny thing is

1021
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,839
is that the next morning

1022
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,599
we woke up we didn't even say anything

1023
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,599
to each other we just you know routine

1024
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,880
we were getting dressed and everything

1025
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,560
and get all the work and

1026
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,480
it was real quiet morning and i was

1027
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,839
driving to work and

1028
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,000
got halfway there and it's like wow that

1029
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,520
happened last night

1030
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:47,040
what the heck we didn't talk about it so

1031
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,880
i called up my wife and i said that

1032
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,240
happened she goes yeah that

1033
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,079
that did happen you know i was like i

1034
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,599
was blown away that we didn't even talk

1035
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:54,480
about it

1036
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,520
and then uh and and then i had to

1037
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,280
go to work and i couldn't concentrate

1038
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,800
all day work and i was like i just

1039
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,480
couldn't wait to get home and i got home

1040
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,320
and we talked about it

1041
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,880
and uh she remembers everything i did

1042
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,599
but she was

1043
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,599
out she didn't remember coming out

1044
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:11,200
towards the airplane field she didn't

1045
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,720
make it through the

1046
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,480
staying awake because you had to fight

1047
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:16,000
the side of your cheeks you had to do

1048
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,359
everything you can try to stay awake

1049
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:19,280
because these guys are good at it

1050
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,960
but uh uh but that's

1051
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,400
she remembered all the way to that point

1052
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:26,000
that she doesn't remember so

1053
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,680
she don't remember seeing no doctor or

1054
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,280
anything of what they did to her

1055
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,880
i don't remember anything about that i

1056
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:32,320
just remember waking up going to work

1057
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,040
the next day

1058
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,240
and uh but two stories

1059
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,520
that was uh the very first heavy duty uh

1060
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,960
abduction experience that i could

1061
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,359
remember and uh

1062
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,160
so that was that was uh yeah of course

1063
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,000
they had the grades but them too

1064
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,560
and uh and some other entities i guess

1065
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,320
uh is this i was just

1066
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,560
in a world of wall as it was happening

1067
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:55,839
so you don't catch everything you just

1068
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:56,160
know

1069
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,320
being manhandled

1070
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:03,040
but yeah people was like oh can't you

1071
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,240
get any dna

1072
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,839
or can't you do you know get some kind

1073
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,440
of evidence it's like let me tell you

1074
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:09,599
what let me get you a syringe and you go

1075
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,670
i am not going to do nothing like that

1076
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:17,200
because they outnumber me and they got

1077
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:18,320
the best toys

1078
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:22,320
so yeah so how many of them how many of

1079
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,440
these ripped to you

1080
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:26,640
and kind of describe the reptilians uh

1081
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,079
okay but overall what they looked like

1082
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,960
okay yeah that's uh they got we've got

1083
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,359
the

1084
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,760
like uh silverback ape looking

1085
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,960
reptilians they got

1086
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,720
they got long arms they're they're

1087
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,240
really beefy uh

1088
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,320
upper apart and they've got like a

1089
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,680
shorter legs and

1090
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,680
you remind me of a silver backape uh

1091
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:47,599
that they'll just like them

1092
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,119
and uh they're like a like a bumpy type

1093
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:54,640
toad skin you know and uh and they

1094
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,079
they do eat uh raw rotten fish as they

1095
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,520
do that and then uh

1096
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:02,400
uh you get the reptilians that look like

1097
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,960
you know

1098
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,359
they're more like slender like this and

1099
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,880
uh thinner

1100
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,960
uh they got scales in their skin that

1101
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,800
people report seeing

1102
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:13,440
often uh they they got a lot of good

1103
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,079
toys and

1104
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:16,720
and you know then you got these like

1105
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:17,599
draco

1106
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,640
looking reptilians as well but i don't

1107
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:21,920
see too many draco

1108
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,880
like reptilians uh i just see a lot of

1109
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:26,640
these uh like renegade

1110
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,160
uh type silverback looking reptilians

1111
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,359
but uh i've been abducted by by the

1112
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,440
scaly kind of looking reptilians

1113
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:38,480
they look they look like uh us

1114
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,839
but they they're uh like scaly

1115
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,240
i guess uh they can picture a human like

1116
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,079
that in the face kind of protrudes out

1117
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:47,839
where their mouth is

1118
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,359
i've gotten some photos of them uh

1119
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,280
but you know they're kind of grainy and

1120
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,119
it's hard to catch they do not want to

1121
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,560
be caught on video

1122
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,240
or film or anything like that they act

1123
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,160
like they get in trouble for it and

1124
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:03,359
uh and and so

1125
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,000
it's hard to get them on video or even a

1126
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:08,240
picture of them a good clear picture of

1127
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,800
them

1128
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,040
i catch you know half of the face or

1129
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,960
anything like that on video but

1130
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,839
uh it did and they get the really short

1131
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:17,280
looking kind of reptilian just like a

1132
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,800
workers species they might have been

1133
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,000
genetically engineered

1134
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,400
because really don't see them doing too

1135
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,320
much of anything but like being

1136
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,440
like slave labor for these guys

1137
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,920
speaking of that i mean i i remember

1138
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,920
when you told me about that

1139
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,560
uh now i know they had abducted you

1140
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:36,000
several times

1141
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:38,240
and in some occasions almost like they

1142
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,839
were taking you on a tour

1143
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,760
yeah and can you kind of just can you

1144
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:45,200
describe

1145
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,800
what you saw in the cavern uh

1146
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,200
where they used the slave labor and what

1147
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:53,680
kind of beings were there

1148
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:56,480
okay yeah there was a there's like a

1149
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,040
like a

1150
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:59,599
town or somewhere anything these were

1151
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:00,240
massive

1152
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,000
towing systems that i was in uh you know

1153
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:06,000
they would uh when they were the ducks

1154
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,760
uh sometimes they would wrap

1155
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:10,000
me up and my wife and this like yellow

1156
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:11,520
looking cellophane like is

1157
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,960
maybe some kind of sanitary thing but uh

1158
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,800
i remember them uh took me out of the

1159
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,000
house and get to our

1160
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,000
our spot before they would uh you know

1161
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,520
unwrap us and

1162
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,599
and uh and i would always sit there and

1163
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,119
try to observe what was going on i

1164
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,800
didn't want to really think i was awake

1165
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:28,960
and alert at that time

1166
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:31,920
and uh and so uh they would throw us

1167
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,319
around

1168
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,920
or they would walk us through because

1169
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:35,200
i've seen a lot of humans down there it

1170
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,240
was like an incumbent

1171
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:39,280
state but these caverns were were huge i

1172
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:39,760
mean they

1173
00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,200
just i just unbelievably these

1174
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,800
some of them would look like part of the

1175
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,400
grand canyon

1176
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,200
but just tunneled out that like the

1177
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:51,040
grand canyon had a lid on it i mean

1178
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,160
someone was smooth

1179
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,160
like that and they had like towns and

1180
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,599
unfinished uh tunneling

1181
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:58,240
sections and they had trains down there

1182
00:41:03,829 --> 00:40:59,359
uh

1183
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,839
rock on the side

1184
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:06,000
they had like stores and stuff like that

1185
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:07,200
and they're getting around with their

1186
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,760
kids and

1187
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,520
and living down there and everything

1188
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,760
else and uh i remember they

1189
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,160
came up to me and i was in this uh this

1190
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:16,000
like bubble looking thing

1191
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,599
and they was all staring at me i was

1192
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,000
like god i feel like a zoo animal

1193
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:22,079
i didn't even handle damn clothes on it

1194
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,280
was like

1195
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,880
it's like so uh i know

1196
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:29,520
see and then they think of me towards

1197
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,079
these

1198
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,400
places uh walking down through there is

1199
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,400
uh some like uh look at

1200
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,640
like an archaeological dig and stuff and

1201
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,000
they had like a central building that

1202
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,359
was controlling everything and the

1203
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,960
lights that they had down there

1204
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,680
it's like they were carefully removing

1205
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:44,960
and looking for stuff

1206
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,319
like the archaeological digs and uh some

1207
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,839
places up underneath the

1208
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:52,400
water was uh pretty interesting too but

1209
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,040
it was like

1210
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,280
really wet down and dripping and they

1211
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,040
had pumps running and uh

1212
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:59,920
and the water was like a domed over us i

1213
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,319
don't

1214
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,280
see like maybe uh maybe it was a force

1215
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,960
field holding back the water they could

1216
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,200
control it or whatever but

1217
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,440
uh there was like some ancient ruins

1218
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:11,040
down there that they was going through

1219
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,960
too so yeah i had no yeah i do not and

1220
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:16,079
know exactly i'm

1221
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,760
i remember i was in an area where they

1222
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,839
had all this piping and pumps running

1223
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,319
and

1224
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,839
human little girl down there

1225
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,240
and she was running around she was all

1226
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,119
nasty and dirty and stuff

1227
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,920
and i was trying to catch up with her

1228
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:32,720
but

1229
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,880
they brought me in some rooms and

1230
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,160
and you know debrief me on some

1231
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,560
kind of stuff like that and i don't know

1232
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,400
exactly what my involvement was

1233
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,040
for that but yeah i was i was trying to

1234
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,480
figure out why they were showing me this

1235
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,920
stuff it was like it was

1236
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,200
they don't really talk to you unless

1237
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,839
they find it absolutely necessary and i

1238
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:54,720
try to

1239
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,000
communicate with you right yes yeah

1240
00:43:01,109 --> 00:43:00,400
they do they uh they communicate with me

1241
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,119
but

1242
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,359
it's not it seems like they just give me

1243
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:05,599
bits and pieces of information

1244
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,839
and uh i get information from them just

1245
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,680
over listening to them talk and yeah

1246
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,440
they do what they can't understand what

1247
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,440
they say

1248
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,800
uh sometimes i can't it all depends uh

1249
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:19,839
but they do speak english yeah they do

1250
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,720
they do speak english and uh i've heard

1251
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,560
you know it's like people over in france

1252
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,640
and that's been abducted they speak in

1253
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:29,040
the french language too it's like i

1254
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:29,680
don't

1255
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,400
and they're speaking to each other in

1256
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,640
english so it's like maybe the language

1257
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,920
of the birds you know maybe it's a

1258
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:39,760
universal language

1259
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,440
but uh you know this these caverns do

1260
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:44,720
you believe these are

1261
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:48,079
underground on earth i would i would

1262
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:49,440
think so but you know

1263
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:53,440
you know stargate portal is yeah i'm

1264
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:54,160
believing that

1265
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,160
it is but i you know i cannot tell you

1266
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,960
for sure how it could be on mars but the

1267
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:02,560
gravity felt like it does here

1268
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,000
uh you know i've been underground stuff

1269
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,000
like that you know when i was a kid

1270
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,000
uh you know you smell the dampness so

1271
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,839
everything smelled the same and the

1272
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,520
atmosphere was the same so

1273
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,640
i'm assuming yeah it's it's been it was

1274
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,839
here on earth

1275
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,440
that they were doing the digs and stuff

1276
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,359
so they're pretty much interested

1277
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:23,839
in like what we are interested in you

1278
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,400
know

1279
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,400
finding out our history and maybe

1280
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,680
they'll try and find out

1281
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,480
their history or our history of what

1282
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,599
happened but

1283
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:32,960
these guys been around for a long time

1284
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,040
so it's hard telling there's so many

1285
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,880
they also took you to an underwater

1286
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:40,800
facility as well didn't it

1287
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:44,240
yeah yes absolutely yeah yeah they've

1288
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:45,440
taken me there too

1289
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,119
uh yeah so but

1290
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,119
that was doing like a underwater

1291
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,119
archaeological dig there too

1292
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:56,240
and uh so but then was pumping it out

1293
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,800
like uh

1294
00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:59,680
i was saying earlier and uh i never

1295
00:45:01,349 --> 00:45:01,040
figured out what they were looking for

1296
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,359
but

1297
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,720
some of the stuff that i was looking at

1298
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:04,240
would look pretty cool and it was like

1299
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,880
really

1300
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,880
damp and wet everything was wet i just

1301
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,560
remember that and it's like i

1302
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,480
i didn't feel comfortable there i know

1303
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,240
that yeah but

1304
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,800
yeah so but uh you know i've been to

1305
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,960
some places

1306
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,800
that i don't know exactly what that i've

1307
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,400
been inflatable it felt like it was low

1308
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:21,599
gravity

1309
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,880
that might have been on the moon

1310
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,760
and this is i run across some

1311
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:29,520
information this lady drew a picture of

1312
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,400
this

1313
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:33,680
building that i've been in and she drew

1314
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,960
uh it was about me going to

1315
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,800
seeing a council five or something like

1316
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:40,480
that i don't even know i didn't even see

1317
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,079
the council five or maybe i did

1318
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,880
i didn't know who they were but uh she

1319
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,680
do

1320
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:48,160
she drew it up exactly i was standing by

1321
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,040
that table

1322
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,160
and and uh and and everybody there's a

1323
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,839
bunch of people and it was either really

1324
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,800
dusty in there or

1325
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,800
smokey i couldn't really figure that one

1326
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,480
out i think it was dusty

1327
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:00,319
but and everybody was talking all at one

1328
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,520
time and there was there were these

1329
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,040
monkeys that came up

1330
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,880
that looked like monkeys out of like the

1331
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,800
planet of the eights and i was like

1332
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,800
yeah and uh they're talking to these

1333
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,400
guys and now i'm like

1334
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,720
they're talking to these guys but

1335
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:14,800
they're not paying attention to me what

1336
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,359
i'm

1337
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,960
saying you know it's like i was getting

1338
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:19,200
offended by it and uh

1339
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,400
nobody could understand what they were

1340
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:22,079
saying and then one of these great

1341
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,800
entity

1342
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,800
uh beings came up and put this wand up

1343
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,640
against the monkey's head

1344
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,240
and then everybody in the whole room

1345
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:30,480
could understand what he's he was uh

1346
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,079
saying so uh except for me i i didn't

1347
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:36,319
have that luxury but i just remember

1348
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,440
that these guys

1349
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,200
they have clothes on and everything and

1350
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,720
they're talking to them and it wasn't

1351
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,079
talking to me

1352
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,480
and uh but uh i was in that building

1353
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:46,000
that was in that room

1354
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,160
and yes it was like microgravity it's

1355
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,480
not gravity like it is here

1356
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,599
that's why i'm thinking it might have

1357
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,680
been on the moon but i think the moons

1358
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,440
are way more different than what

1359
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,760
oh it is i i believe that too you know

1360
00:47:03,430 --> 00:46:59,520
i've heard way too many

1361
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,440
many uh experiences tell me about

1362
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,560
uh going to the moon either

1363
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,640
through a portal or some type of crap

1364
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:09,599
and such

1365
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,520
i had a lost time experience

1366
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,000
myself where i know i was taken to the

1367
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,119
moon

1368
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,160
the earth right now so yeah you just

1369
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,880
know it so yeah there's something

1370
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,000
there's something there

1371
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,079
i mean it you know this council of five

1372
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,079
thing has been coming up

1373
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,119
to me recently uh when you showed me

1374
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,200
that drawing

1375
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,400
i was almost positive that what you told

1376
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,599
me was true

1377
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,839
that something had been going on there

1378
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,599
and i had no doubt that you

1379
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,240
had experienced that as well but see

1380
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,160
that's something else i got to look into

1381
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,559
i'm really not sure on that and that's

1382
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:50,000
just more

1383
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,839
i know you're you're

1384
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,839
poor guy you're you're you're taking on

1385
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,599
so many cases and stuff like you're

1386
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,760
you're on it wow i don't know how you

1387
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,200
keep up especially with the stuff

1388
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:04,720
we talked about so oh man

1389
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:11,349
in this hour this show we're kind of

1390
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,920
going to

1391
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,920
gloss over and do a little here little

1392
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,440
there to give people an

1393
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,640
idea of what you went through and then

1394
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,800
if we do further shows we'll get into

1395
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:21,920
more detail

1396
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,480
but the one thing i did want to ask you

1397
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,760
uh and you know you've

1398
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,680
you know i've talked about this but they

1399
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:29,680
did they did

1400
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,520
do a um a surgical procedure on you

1401
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,800
didn't it

1402
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:37,680
right yeah my uh i was having problems

1403
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,920
with my bones and stuff like that uh

1404
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,599
and i was going back and forth to the

1405
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:43,520
doctor getting protozoan shots

1406
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:46,559
and uh and she's like david i need to

1407
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:47,119
talk to

1408
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:50,480
so yeah you saw you you more than likely

1409
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,960
have this

1410
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,599
rheumatoid arthritis you know that it's

1411
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,680
and i i don't wish it on nobody because

1412
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,280
it's like the worst kind of arthritis a

1413
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:59,280
person can have it's like an autoimmune

1414
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,839
disease

1415
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,240
where your body attacks itself and

1416
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:03,599
deteriorates you you know from the

1417
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,480
inside out

1418
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,680
it's uh not cool at all but uh

1419
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,720
yeah i was like i don't know she said

1420
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:12,240
you're gonna end up in a wheelchair

1421
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,240
says uh you need to quit work

1422
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,440
yeah i see that happening yeah right

1423
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:22,000
but all right so and then uh you know

1424
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:22,720
it's like

1425
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:25,680
so it kind of got me down and everything

1426
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:26,000
but

1427
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,440
i figured i was going to try to beat it

1428
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:29,119
anyway then it goes into remission you

1429
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,160
know sometimes for

1430
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,800
uh seven years and it comes back and and

1431
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:34,559
everything else like that but

1432
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:37,920
well i was having a lot of abductions

1433
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:38,160
and

1434
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,160
night pretending i was

1435
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,240
asleep you know just so i get as much

1436
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,520
information as i could and i was

1437
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,119
listening to him talk and

1438
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:50,319
it's one entity he kept bringing uh

1439
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,800
people

1440
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,599
in or or entered other entities like we

1441
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,079
always call them people but

1442
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:58,000
and they would talk about my situation

1443
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,760
and what kind of person i was and

1444
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,119
everything else and

1445
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,079
and uh he was like selling off the idea

1446
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,760
of something about me and i didn't know

1447
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,040
what they was doing or

1448
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,240
or anything like that and and uh

1449
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,920
and i was you know telling my wife you

1450
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,280
know it's like something's going to

1451
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,800
happen i i just know it i don't know

1452
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,480
what they're doing gene but there

1453
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,319
there's something's going to happen so

1454
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,839
the they might

1455
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,599
end up taking me out because every time

1456
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,040
they take you out of the house you don't

1457
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,880
know if you're coming back

1458
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,030
and you know that by experience because

1459
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:33,040
you know of people that never did come

1460
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,160
back

1461
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,400
right yeah oh yeah you can do that

1462
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:38,079
another time

1463
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:41,040
right well they had this dummy of me uh

1464
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:41,440
i

1465
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,400
out

1466
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,599
yeah or my kid so i was like maybe they

1467
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:59,839
stuffed him in the bed and so she wakes

1468
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:00,720
up um

1469
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,319
she sees something there you know so uh

1470
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,960
that's what's going on well right about

1471
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,319
the last time that this

1472
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,520
uh entity uh brought somebody in and and

1473
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,359
i guess he was the guy the money guy or

1474
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:14,880
whatever uh

1475
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,559
and he says okay uh do it and it's like

1476
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,960
do what you know i was like well i ended

1477
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:23,119
up spending about a week's worth of

1478
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,240
surgery

1479
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,599
and they was disassembling me section by

1480
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,520
section legs and feet and

1481
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,000
uh i mean just cutting the flesh away

1482
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,839
and and putting it on trays and carrying

1483
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,040
it away and

1484
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,440
and uh it was a major procedure and like

1485
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,800
breaking the bones and

1486
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,720
and sawing and cutting and i'm like oh

1487
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,559
my god what the heck you smell the bone

1488
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,680
dust in the air you know

1489
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,920
and the light you can see above you and

1490
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,440
then i would sit up and i'd be looking

1491
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,040
at it and they'd have music playing in

1492
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,720
the background these doctors would

1493
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,319
while they were doing all this stuff i

1494
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,559
was like cool so i get to watch what's

1495
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,680
going on

1496
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,240
and uh i was kind of disconnected from

1497
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,920
the surgery part of itself because i

1498
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,599
couldn't feel it but i could feel the

1499
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,359
pressure in them twisting my body around

1500
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,800
and breaking bones and

1501
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,839
and cutting and refitting uh you know

1502
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:09,520
new joints and everything up in men's

1503
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,319
like

1504
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,720
i did not understand what was going on

1505
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,400
but uh and then at the end of the

1506
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,440
each night of the surgery uh

1507
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,359
they you know they put me all back

1508
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:21,040
together again and he's like what time

1509
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:22,400
he's gotta be at the work and all this

1510
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,200
stuff

1511
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,960
and uh so they'll be running out of time

1512
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,640
they'd be hurrying you know right

1513
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,559
to the last second and then uh for the

1514
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,240
last procedure part

1515
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,880
once they got you put back together uh

1516
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,800
they would dump this like

1517
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,760
a clear grazed looking liquid on you on

1518
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:39,280
that was in the speaker they dump it on

1519
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:40,400
your leg you know whatever they was

1520
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,440
working on

1521
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,920
and then uh then the body would just

1522
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,200
start healing i don't know if i had

1523
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:47,920
nanotechnology in it or what but

1524
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,280
magical water i don't know but uh uh

1525
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,760
but you know my leg would be like bright

1526
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,720
red and

1527
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:56,079
everything i've been getting dressed for

1528
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,440
working it's like i know something

1529
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:58,880
happened but i didn't know what they did

1530
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,680
but

1531
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,599
uh get to working about halfway through

1532
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,520
the day about lunchtime my legs start

1533
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:05,040
looking better by time i made it home

1534
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:05,680
again

1535
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,920
describe in detail exactly how they were

1536
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,200
doing this surgery

1537
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,240
but uh well time is an issue i know yeah

1538
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:15,839
yeah we'll have to get into that at

1539
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,920
another time because i know

1540
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:20,400
i do want to do this in a little more

1541
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,200
detail

1542
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,200
now i know one more thing i did want to

1543
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,800
cover today

1544
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,559
uh and it's something i have talked

1545
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:28,559
about recently to people

1546
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,559
is that you observed human beings being

1547
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:33,920
experimented on

1548
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:37,760
and disposed of yeah yeah that was uh

1549
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:41,040
okay i could talk about that one too

1550
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,520
uh hey yeah you know there's some things

1551
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,040
i've never talked about but because uh

1552
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,520
it's not my job to tell everybody but uh

1553
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,440
uh but yeah this issue i could talk

1554
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,599
about uh this situation here

1555
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,079
was being i was abducted okay they taken

1556
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,240
me out of the house and uh

1557
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,280
and uh uh i was looking at some of their

1558
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,520
inner structure and i was getting upset

1559
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:04,000
because these are like mundane things

1560
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:05,040
that we have

1561
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,559
you know here like tiles doorways you

1562
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,520
know you push the

1563
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,880
handle on the door we had them in the

1564
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,400
school buildings you know you had double

1565
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,920
doors and you push the

1566
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,440
the latch on the bottom and it goes all

1567
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:17,040
the way across the door and the door

1568
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,000
opens and

1569
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,000
and i was getting terribly upset about

1570
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,520
all this they brought me into this room

1571
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:22,720
and it was all

1572
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,559
tile ceiling floor and it was like a

1573
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,480
drain in the floor and there was a one

1574
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,079
stainless steel bed

1575
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,119
and they laid me down on and then they

1576
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:36,079
they left the room i'm laying on the

1577
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,440
stainless steel table

1578
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,200
i'm like looking at the towel and the

1579
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,720
window and everything i kept seeing

1580
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,280
these colors going by the window

1581
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,119
and uh i said what the heck is that you

1582
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,520
know it just kept going by the window

1583
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:50,000
so i'm looking over and uh i knew there

1584
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,839
was some reptilian doctors on the other

1585
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,640
side of the door because

1586
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,720
they kept peaking in it on me but i

1587
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,640
thought my curiosity got the best of me

1588
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,640
so i used myself off the table and i

1589
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,640
walked across the room and looked out

1590
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,000
this window

1591
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,720
and it was like this i think this was on

1592
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:06,400
the moon as well because it was like

1593
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:09,520
low gravity and uh and i was looking out

1594
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,400
the window and

1595
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,160
and the colors i'm looking at it and

1596
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,920
then everything started coming into

1597
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,119
focus and

1598
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,680
so these are bodies there was human

1599
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,880
bodies falling off

1600
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:21,280
they were like being pushed or whatever

1601
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,480
off and i looked up

1602
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,480
the window and it was like another ledge

1603
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:27,200
up above where out the room i was at

1604
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,720
and it was all dressed up in like these

1605
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:30,400
corduroys flannel shirts

1606
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,440
like hand-me-down clothing uh and it was

1607
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,400
uh some of the

1608
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,839
you know people they were skinny didn't

1609
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,920
look real healthy but uh

1610
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,000
and and then as the bodies were falling

1611
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,680
these things were coming out of the wall

1612
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,640
it looked like uh

1613
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,559
electrical coils you know you you would

1614
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,960
run conduit electrical wires in

1615
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,640
and it was jabbing them on each side of

1616
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:50,799
the leg these bodies that were falling

1617
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,119
down

1618
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,359
and it was vacuum all the fluid out of

1619
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:55,119
really quick so they looked like a mummy

1620
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:55,920
by time

1621
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,160
it was going by my window with the

1622
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,839
clothes on and it was falling to the

1623
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,559
floor

1624
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,160
then this big thing on the ceiling it

1625
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,319
was like a half moon shape and it was

1626
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,119
silver and it would vacuum up these big

1627
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:09,200
piles of bodies and suck it all way up

1628
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,720
and then move all the way across there's

1629
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,160
these burners down there

1630
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,440
a wall just full of burns huge burners

1631
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,280
and these little short reptilian guys

1632
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,200
are down there working their butt off

1633
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,280
picking these things up these bodies and

1634
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:22,799
tossing them into these burners

1635
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,480
uh and it's like you know i was always

1636
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:28,000
speculating and maybe

1637
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,760
why these people being killed why are

1638
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,760
they dying it's like my next am i part

1639
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,520
of this because i'm looking at this

1640
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,920
and they're just right above me it's

1641
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,200
like the room above me

1642
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,920
or a ledge or up there i'm starting to

1643
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:40,960
think maybe i'm

1644
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,400
not going back home this time so yeah

1645
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:46,720
but they ended up uh bringing my wife in

1646
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,440
and

1647
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,599
dropped her on the floor over in the

1648
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,280
corner and stuff and uh

1649
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,280
and i ran over and jumped up on the bed

1650
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:55,599
and nobody said anything to me

1651
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,240
and then the doctors came on into the

1652
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,720
room i'm like oh this is it this is

1653
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,640
not going back home you know then i

1654
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,720
don't remember anything after that

1655
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:07,040
until the next day you know uh like

1656
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:08,160
halfway through the day i always

1657
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,760
remember always like halfway through the

1658
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,200
next day i go there away

1659
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:14,079
come back asleep most of the time i i

1660
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,480
haven't

1661
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,359
have a stargate before uh i had yeah

1662
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,359
definitely ran out over stargate

1663
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:22,160
right back into my own bedroom and uh

1664
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:24,000
and that that's when uh they was

1665
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,839
taking me out wheeling me down on this

1666
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,200
uh dolly

1667
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,119
or or gurney with his bed with the

1668
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:30,880
wheels on it and it was going down like

1669
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:31,680
in this tunnel

1670
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,799
and then uh there was a female reptilian

1671
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,720
that was trying to get a device or

1672
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,079
something out of this guy's back

1673
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,119
and she was very evasive she did

1674
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,880
very basic she stuck her fingers inside

1675
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,119
his back and and uh stuck her hand in

1676
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:46,960
there and uh pulled something out

1677
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,480
and she says i got it i'm going hell no

1678
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,319
i rolled off that gurney and going back

1679
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,240
the same way i came in i was running

1680
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,000
and so uh then i came right back into my

1681
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,760
bedroom i spun around and uh i was

1682
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,200
waiting for him to come through

1683
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:01,920
nobody came through but uh it was like

1684
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,720
that was too

1685
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,640
too much for me so i wasn't gonna be

1686
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,839
part of that so

1687
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,720
uh well i'm gonna tell you you know for

1688
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,000
all all the years we

1689
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,480
you know for about two years there you

1690
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,040
and i were talking almost every day

1691
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:17,599
and some of these some of these accounts

1692
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,480
that you have given me

1693
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,119
the bottom well the bottom line is for

1694
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,359
whatever reason

1695
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,079
you were given an opportunity to see

1696
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,559
this stuff and they trusted you

1697
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,480
and in fact they used to talk to you

1698
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:34,720
about me because they knew

1699
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,079
that you were talking to me i had

1700
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:41,440
some encounters after it here at home

1701
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,630
yeah you know i don't

1702
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,799
i don't know uh exactly what the whole

1703
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,240
aspect of what

1704
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:54,319
my part of the play is or or your part

1705
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:55,359
of the play

1706
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,559
yeah uh for reporting it uh you know i

1707
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,599
think it's

1708
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,520
it's like two points of time coming

1709
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:03,040
together uh and

1710
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,040
it's doomed to meet together so uh

1711
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:09,280
these guys it might end up being part of

1712
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,160
disclosure

1713
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,880
in one day uh but you know i sent you

1714
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:14,160
that picture the other day is that

1715
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,040
heritage

1716
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,440
house you know i was like would is this

1717
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:18,640
on the part in the future

1718
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,079
these guys that that

1719
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,200
that's the strangest thing if let me let

1720
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:26,799
me tell people real quick

1721
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:30,640
you you sent this photograph to me where

1722
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:33,680
in this type of uh it looked like a

1723
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:36,640
like a light had blue light yeah yeah

1724
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:37,680
projected

1725
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,119
this words heritage house on a table

1726
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,640
but you couldn't tell where it was

1727
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,400
coming from right

1728
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,960
right and there was a there was also a

1729
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,680
shadow of an individual there too

1730
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,000
that you didn't know it wasn't your

1731
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,240
shadow it was coming from somewhere else

1732
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,559
you know you know when and when we get

1733
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,400
back to talking at another time we're

1734
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:00,240
going to start going into more

1735
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:04,160
of what has been going on recently uh

1736
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:08,319
you may have seen or been introduced to

1737
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:12,400
uh a one of your hybrid children

1738
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,680
yeah yeah yeah these new entities that

1739
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,119
you're seeing

1740
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,440
are entirely different than the ones you

1741
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,880
used to see

1742
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,400
but we'll go a little more into

1743
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,160
everything uh

1744
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:26,000
yeah it's a fascinating it's a

1745
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,200
fascinating story

1746
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,920
there's so much that we aren't able to

1747
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,920
cover in one hour but i promise

1748
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:33,119
everybody

1749
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:35,200
and it's up to you dave if you don't

1750
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,240
mind coming back

1751
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:38,240
that we'll get into this a little more

1752
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,599
deeply

1753
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,520
the the next couple of times we can do

1754
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,280
this is that fine with you

1755
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,960
just yeah yeah because we're just

1756
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,200
glossing over i mean speed

1757
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,760
demon popping uh trying to get through

1758
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,720
this uh

1759
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,720
really quick but yeah there's so much

1760
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,960
details that you missed the details

1761
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,799
it's like it's hard to really put the

1762
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,119
whole thing together

1763
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:02,240
so yeah but you know i wanted to give

1764
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:04,880
everybody kind of an overview tonight

1765
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,119
of what had happened in the beginning

1766
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,119
what was going on

1767
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,319
and some of the really

1768
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,559
unbelievable remarkable things that you

1769
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:15,839
witnessed

1770
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,240
but i i think out of all this we can say

1771
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,000
to a certain degree of fact that

1772
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,440
some people that who that are abducted

1773
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,760
don't come back because they're used as

1774
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:30,720
slaves

1775
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,680
they're used for experiments right and

1776
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:35,920
whatever else they use them for

1777
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,559
what is it like 250 000 children go

1778
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,880
missing every single year vanish

1779
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,200
off the planet without a trace i think

1780
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,880
it's a like that it's a lot

1781
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,799
yeah that's a huge number how do you

1782
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,040
miss that many children i mean it's like

1783
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:50,880
how come nobody talks about it you know

1784
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:53,680
it's like but that's what blows my mind

1785
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,039
uh but yeah there's people and

1786
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,599
human mutilations they got those too you

1787
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:01,520
know that's the scary stuff

1788
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:04,720
so well we're gonna go deeper into that

1789
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,280
uh you know maybe in several weeks we'll

1790
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,680
we'll uh plan something for you to come

1791
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,720
back on

1792
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,559
by that time i think a lot of people are

1793
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:16,000
going to have a lot of questions

1794
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:19,920
for you after listening to us this show

1795
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:23,440
so i'd like really good questions

1796
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:25,680
so david thanks again for being on the

1797
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:26,720
show

1798
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:29,520
and uh i look forward to talking to you

1799
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:31,039
soon

1800
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,400
uh yeah yeah as always lon it's always a

1801
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,160
pleasure speaking to you

1802
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:38,240
and uh thanks a lot for giving me the

1803
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:39,440
opportunity

1804
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,599
okay talk to you later all right bye-bye

1805
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,359
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1806
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:47,680
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1807
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1808
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,359
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1809
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:54,160
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1810
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,760
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1811
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:57,760
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1812
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,000
sighting feel free to contact me through

1813
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,079
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1814
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,400
now i want to thank david ecker for

1815
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:06,079
joining me this evening

1816
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:09,520
uh this was just the first

1817
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:12,559
in what i hope to do several shows

1818
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:16,480
about david and his ordeal uh david will

1819
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:17,119
be a

1820
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:20,240
part of the my upcoming book and

1821
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,480
uh but we're going to go through as much

1822
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,319
as possible

1823
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:27,280
to let people know what is really going

1824
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,240
on

1825
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,839
so i want to thank you for listening to

1826
01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:32,319
the show good night and have a safe and

1827
01:03:56,829 --> 01:03:44,680
enjoyable weekend

1828
01:03:56,839 --> 01:04:14,790
so

1829
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:38,829
[Music]

1830
01:04:38,839 --> 01:04:42,740
so